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		<title>By: Haydn</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>Haydn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 22:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the video it makes a very good point. I&#039;m a keen cyclist living in a small town in New Zealand and I remember a helmet safety campaign by and unfortunate mother who vividly described to  us (easily influenced children) the grueling schedule she had to go though every day to care for her son was severely brain damaged in a bicycle/car collision. 
         I believe the influence such a highly subjective campaign can not be over estimated. The general perception of the public in NZ and Oz( I lived there six years) is that cycling is not a  safe activity and that is a belief that is not easily shaken off. Because of indoctrination at public education facilities ( A good reason to home educate in my opinion)

Any law that reduces participation in cycling 20-40% is totally one eyed. Focusing only on reducing crash statistics while completely ignoring the numerous benefits a cycling culture offers. It might save a life from being lost to a cycling accident only to kill the same with obesity and smog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the video it makes a very good point. I&#8217;m a keen cyclist living in a small town in New Zealand and I remember a helmet safety campaign by and unfortunate mother who vividly described to  us (easily influenced children) the grueling schedule she had to go though every day to care for her son was severely brain damaged in a bicycle/car collision.<br />
         I believe the influence such a highly subjective campaign can not be over estimated. The general perception of the public in NZ and Oz( I lived there six years) is that cycling is not a  safe activity and that is a belief that is not easily shaken off. Because of indoctrination at public education facilities ( A good reason to home educate in my opinion)</p>
<p>Any law that reduces participation in cycling 20-40% is totally one eyed. Focusing only on reducing crash statistics while completely ignoring the numerous benefits a cycling culture offers. It might save a life from being lost to a cycling accident only to kill the same with obesity and smog.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Devine</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 09:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Charlie,

I think you&#039;re half-way to being helmet free. It&#039;s just your feeling of nakedness and vunerability on the road that&#039;s stopping you. It&#039;s all about perception and confidence. For example, we all feel safe in our homes - but are we? Being confident in traffic so that it shows can help you to be safer and feel safer.

Think of a the traffic cop at a busy junction, supremely confident with positive arm signals and eye contact with drivers. He&#039;s in a very precarious position standing there, but because he is in control, he feels less vunerable, less naked.

Now take his skills and use them when you next cycle in traffic and you too will be respected by drivers, just like the traffic cop and you should begin to feel happy having completed a journey without a helmet. If not - you can always post again.

Good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charlie,</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re half-way to being helmet free. It&#8217;s just your feeling of nakedness and vunerability on the road that&#8217;s stopping you. It&#8217;s all about perception and confidence. For example, we all feel safe in our homes &#8211; but are we? Being confident in traffic so that it shows can help you to be safer and feel safer.</p>
<p>Think of a the traffic cop at a busy junction, supremely confident with positive arm signals and eye contact with drivers. He&#8217;s in a very precarious position standing there, but because he is in control, he feels less vunerable, less naked.</p>
<p>Now take his skills and use them when you next cycle in traffic and you too will be respected by drivers, just like the traffic cop and you should begin to feel happy having completed a journey without a helmet. If not &#8211; you can always post again.</p>
<p>Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: charlie hopkins</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>charlie hopkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I prefer the freedom of going helmet-less I have a vulnerable feeling of nakedness without it. When mountain biking and flying by trees at 20mph I have a pretty good idea of what my head might sound like, not to mention feel like hitting a tree...thus I wear the lid on the trails. On the road it&#039;s not so much my falling and hitting my head that worries me but more the idea of where a car might send me flying and how I might land if being hit. I have a very vivid imagination. Also a very nervous wife...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I prefer the freedom of going helmet-less I have a vulnerable feeling of nakedness without it. When mountain biking and flying by trees at 20mph I have a pretty good idea of what my head might sound like, not to mention feel like hitting a tree&#8230;thus I wear the lid on the trails. On the road it&#8217;s not so much my falling and hitting my head that worries me but more the idea of where a car might send me flying and how I might land if being hit. I have a very vivid imagination. Also a very nervous wife&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Paul Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Paul Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 00:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent blog, thank you Mike.

I too was saddened by the response of the Magistrate.

I live in Brisbane and have recently started cycling to work. As the cycling infrastructure is haphazard (and work is a long way - 35km), I have to use the train for half of my journey, but at least I can cycle.

I&#039;m awaiting the arrival of my new Royal Dutch Gazelle Innergy e-bike which should make the journey even more enjoyable and the upright seating position, more comfortable, ditching my &#039;hybrid&#039; bike in the process. A *real* bicycle finally! I just need to rid myself of the silly helmet!

I think we should be given the choice as responsible citizens. I will not be wearing my helmet on dedicated bicycle paths from now, wearing it only when I&#039;m forced to cycle with traffic. I&#039;ll need to get some legal advice on what happens when I receive multiple infringements (?can they confiscate my bicycle, etc).

I think the evidence for compulsory helmets is very poor and when you look at the &#039;true cost&#039; of compulsory helmet laws, they are very bad for society on the whole. Most people I know stopped cycling when they were introduced.

Build better cycle infrastructure instead! We are slowly getting there in Brisbane... slowly.

Kind regards,

Dr Paul Martin
MBBS, FANZCA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent blog, thank you Mike.</p>
<p>I too was saddened by the response of the Magistrate.</p>
<p>I live in Brisbane and have recently started cycling to work. As the cycling infrastructure is haphazard (and work is a long way &#8211; 35km), I have to use the train for half of my journey, but at least I can cycle.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m awaiting the arrival of my new Royal Dutch Gazelle Innergy e-bike which should make the journey even more enjoyable and the upright seating position, more comfortable, ditching my &#8216;hybrid&#8217; bike in the process. A *real* bicycle finally! I just need to rid myself of the silly helmet!</p>
<p>I think we should be given the choice as responsible citizens. I will not be wearing my helmet on dedicated bicycle paths from now, wearing it only when I&#8217;m forced to cycle with traffic. I&#8217;ll need to get some legal advice on what happens when I receive multiple infringements (?can they confiscate my bicycle, etc).</p>
<p>I think the evidence for compulsory helmets is very poor and when you look at the &#8216;true cost&#8217; of compulsory helmet laws, they are very bad for society on the whole. Most people I know stopped cycling when they were introduced.</p>
<p>Build better cycle infrastructure instead! We are slowly getting there in Brisbane&#8230; slowly.</p>
<p>Kind regards,</p>
<p>Dr Paul Martin<br />
MBBS, FANZCA</p>
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		<title>By: Tibor</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
		<dc:creator>Tibor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep up the good work Michael!
There are 10 million riders in the naked city that can hardly wait to bring out their bicycles from the garage, dust them down and ride them again.
My friends and I will sign any petition you want in order to start moving this cause!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keep up the good work Michael!<br />
There are 10 million riders in the naked city that can hardly wait to bring out their bicycles from the garage, dust them down and ride them again.<br />
My friends and I will sign any petition you want in order to start moving this cause!</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Devine</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And of the deaths? How many attributed to head injury alone? I don&#039;t know. True that in Holland there are many kilometers of segregated cycle lanes.

In the older Dutch provincial towns however, cyclists take to the streets where there are no cycle lanes, often cycling in large groups to and from school, filling the road. The motorist waits patiently behind them all until they disperse or find a cycle path. I can&#039;t imagine the same scenario here.

Yes, I know of the GB spacing experiment too. Thank for your reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And of the deaths? How many attributed to head injury alone? I don&#8217;t know. True that in Holland there are many kilometers of segregated cycle lanes.</p>
<p>In the older Dutch provincial towns however, cyclists take to the streets where there are no cycle lanes, often cycling in large groups to and from school, filling the road. The motorist waits patiently behind them all until they disperse or find a cycle path. I can&#8217;t imagine the same scenario here.</p>
<p>Yes, I know of the GB spacing experiment too. Thank for your reply.</p>
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		<title>By: datillo</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-79</link>
		<dc:creator>datillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 13:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny, you make a very good point about kids being conditioned to helmets if the are compulsory before 18. But it is also true that most of the damage and deaths are under 18.

Moreover, to expect to eliminate helmets for all ages is certainly a bridge too far.  If we were in the future to get  off road cycle paths like Holland at some time in the ahead, then I can see that happening , Kids in Holland don&#039;t wear helmets and are separated  from cars.

Not only does the helmet create complacency in the rider,  but as you probably know, drivers in GB were shown to pass closer to riders with helmets, and so it  cuts caution both ways.

Thank for the comment . Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny, you make a very good point about kids being conditioned to helmets if the are compulsory before 18. But it is also true that most of the damage and deaths are under 18.</p>
<p>Moreover, to expect to eliminate helmets for all ages is certainly a bridge too far.  If we were in the future to get  off road cycle paths like Holland at some time in the ahead, then I can see that happening , Kids in Holland don&#8217;t wear helmets and are separated  from cars.</p>
<p>Not only does the helmet create complacency in the rider,  but as you probably know, drivers in GB were shown to pass closer to riders with helmets, and so it  cuts caution both ways.</p>
<p>Thank for the comment . Mike</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Devine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote a futuristic blog post some time ago. I now realise that I needn&#039;t have looked so far into the future.

http://cyclingleuchars-freewheelers.blogspot.com/2007/08/change-happens.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote a futuristic blog post some time ago. I now realise that I needn&#8217;t have looked so far into the future.</p>
<p><a href="http://cyclingleuchars-freewheelers.blogspot.com/2007/08/change-happens.html" rel="nofollow">http://cyclingleuchars-freewheelers.blogspot.com/2007/08/change-happens.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Devine</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-77</link>
		<dc:creator>Kenny Devine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 07:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once a law has been passed it is so difficult to remove or challenge and so the best way forward would be to not allow it to pass into law in the first place but stay helmet free.

I admire Sue&#039;s strength for holding on to what she believes in, before and after court. It would be my worst nightmare if it were to become law here in the UK.

I&#039;m not sure I agree with the suggestion that helmets should be compulsory until say age 16-18, by which time the rider will be conditioned to wearing one beyond that age.

I already get mixed messages when I see families riding around insisting their offspring wear helmets while the parents don&#039;t. It must be very confusing for the kids.

There&#039;s also the argument that helmet wearing may give a rider the sense of invincibility, and will possibly result in more injuries through being reckless, than say if unprotected and cautious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once a law has been passed it is so difficult to remove or challenge and so the best way forward would be to not allow it to pass into law in the first place but stay helmet free.</p>
<p>I admire Sue&#8217;s strength for holding on to what she believes in, before and after court. It would be my worst nightmare if it were to become law here in the UK.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree with the suggestion that helmets should be compulsory until say age 16-18, by which time the rider will be conditioned to wearing one beyond that age.</p>
<p>I already get mixed messages when I see families riding around insisting their offspring wear helmets while the parents don&#8217;t. It must be very confusing for the kids.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the argument that helmet wearing may give a rider the sense of invincibility, and will possibly result in more injuries through being reckless, than say if unprotected and cautious.</p>
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		<title>By: Herve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was really a sad ending, being dismissed by the judge like that with so much disrespect after so much effort.

Unfortunately, this is our legal system work.  The primary judge role is to apply the law (and maybe interpret it), not to overrule it.

It was refreshing to see that Sue came out of the court still willing to fight despite the expense, the time and the stress she has experienced so far.  What a spirit.  She knows that something is fundamental wrong with this silly helmet law, and has the courage to fight for it.  What an inspiration!

I believe we really need to take this fight to the political level.  Despite all their wisdom, judges cannot overrule the law, no matter how stupid it might be.

Only politicians can change the law.  This is where we should focus our efforts.

From common sense, it shouldn&#039;t be that hard.  We have a law that has negligible benefits in terms of safety.  The key in bicycle safety is infrastructure, not helmets.  Countries in Europe understand that and are far better than us at promoting cycling.

All this stupid law really does is discourage people from cycling.  The result?  More traffic jams, more pollution, higher global warming impact, people becoming obese, imposing huge medical bills to the taxpayers.

You would think it would be common sense to get rid of that law, wouldn&#039;t you?  It IS POSSIBLE with a bit of political pressure.  Unfortunately, there is none yet.  Time to increase the political pressure for change!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was really a sad ending, being dismissed by the judge like that with so much disrespect after so much effort.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this is our legal system work.  The primary judge role is to apply the law (and maybe interpret it), not to overrule it.</p>
<p>It was refreshing to see that Sue came out of the court still willing to fight despite the expense, the time and the stress she has experienced so far.  What a spirit.  She knows that something is fundamental wrong with this silly helmet law, and has the courage to fight for it.  What an inspiration!</p>
<p>I believe we really need to take this fight to the political level.  Despite all their wisdom, judges cannot overrule the law, no matter how stupid it might be.</p>
<p>Only politicians can change the law.  This is where we should focus our efforts.</p>
<p>From common sense, it shouldn&#8217;t be that hard.  We have a law that has negligible benefits in terms of safety.  The key in bicycle safety is infrastructure, not helmets.  Countries in Europe understand that and are far better than us at promoting cycling.</p>
<p>All this stupid law really does is discourage people from cycling.  The result?  More traffic jams, more pollution, higher global warming impact, people becoming obese, imposing huge medical bills to the taxpayers.</p>
<p>You would think it would be common sense to get rid of that law, wouldn&#8217;t you?  It IS POSSIBLE with a bit of political pressure.  Unfortunately, there is none yet.  Time to increase the political pressure for change!</p>
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		<title>By: datillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>datillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 01:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I am like you. I don&#039;t find Sue&#039;s argument about necessity,  due to the danger of wearing a helmet, very convincing, even though I do very much  respect Bill Curnow her adviser,  who has done years of work on this.

Like you too, I wear a helmet, and will probably continue to do so, but I want to have the choice.

 If we had choice, it would increase the pressure on our Govts. to make cycling safe &lt;strong&gt;under the wheels&lt;/strong&gt;. Now,  Govts. shove the responsibility onto the head of the cyclist,  and that&#039;s  neither right nor fair.

I also don&#039;t want compulsory helmets to stop us getting the fantastic bike share schemes like the Velibs in Paris.

 They grow  cycling very effectively and introduce a more laid back style,  since they are all sit-up bikes. No place in the world with compulsory helmets has been able to set up bike share.

I will be posting a movie about this soon.  In the meantime,  have a look at  the relevant post on this, the second last.

As for Sue appealing, she will have precise and good grounds. She knows what she&#039;s doing. Thanks  for writing, and please do pass Sue onto other cyclists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I am like you. I don&#8217;t find Sue&#8217;s argument about necessity,  due to the danger of wearing a helmet, very convincing, even though I do very much  respect Bill Curnow her adviser,  who has done years of work on this.</p>
<p>Like you too, I wear a helmet, and will probably continue to do so, but I want to have the choice.</p>
<p> If we had choice, it would increase the pressure on our Govts. to make cycling safe <strong>under the wheels</strong>. Now,  Govts. shove the responsibility onto the head of the cyclist,  and that&#8217;s  neither right nor fair.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t want compulsory helmets to stop us getting the fantastic bike share schemes like the Velibs in Paris.</p>
<p> They grow  cycling very effectively and introduce a more laid back style,  since they are all sit-up bikes. No place in the world with compulsory helmets has been able to set up bike share.</p>
<p>I will be posting a movie about this soon.  In the meantime,  have a look at  the relevant post on this, the second last.</p>
<p>As for Sue appealing, she will have precise and good grounds. She knows what she&#8217;s doing. Thanks  for writing, and please do pass Sue onto other cyclists.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 23:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike

Thanks for sharing this. I live in NZ (who always follow your lead!!!) and I, personally, have always worn a helmet whilst riding.

Until now, I have always considered the law in this area to be quite reasonable. But on seeing your two part documentary on Sue I am not so convinced. Neither am I convinced by Sue&#039;s assertion that not wearing a helmet is safer - she offers little evidence to back up her argument. What I am convinced about though is that the wearing of a helmet should be a matter of choice - not a legal requirement - particularly given the apparent reduction in cycling which seems to result from the law. A pom by origin (I moved here 16 years ago), I had forgotten that most countries don&#039;t have this law but instead provide better cycling infrastructure and encourage sharing of the roads. That&#039;s where we should be putting our effort.

You note that Sue intends to appeal the court&#039;s ruling - probably not a smart move, one which could, in fact, detract from the credibility she has already established. She would be better to leverage off that kudos and pursue a change to the law via the political route - there are now many of us who would support her cause.

Thanks again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this. I live in NZ (who always follow your lead!!!) and I, personally, have always worn a helmet whilst riding.</p>
<p>Until now, I have always considered the law in this area to be quite reasonable. But on seeing your two part documentary on Sue I am not so convinced. Neither am I convinced by Sue&#8217;s assertion that not wearing a helmet is safer &#8211; she offers little evidence to back up her argument. What I am convinced about though is that the wearing of a helmet should be a matter of choice &#8211; not a legal requirement &#8211; particularly given the apparent reduction in cycling which seems to result from the law. A pom by origin (I moved here 16 years ago), I had forgotten that most countries don&#8217;t have this law but instead provide better cycling infrastructure and encourage sharing of the roads. That&#8217;s where we should be putting our effort.</p>
<p>You note that Sue intends to appeal the court&#8217;s ruling &#8211; probably not a smart move, one which could, in fact, detract from the credibility she has already established. She would be better to leverage off that kudos and pursue a change to the law via the political route &#8211; there are now many of us who would support her cause.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: datillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>datillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Mark, the thing to do, to the extent  you can, is to alert the bike media to Sue&#039;s story and also drop a line to programs like 7.30 report, AM and PM, the world today, Lateline and Four corners at the ABC. the email addresses  are on the ABC web site.

To answer your questions.  Sue does not like what she thinks are undignified stunts,  feeling her position is already considered crackpot. So she would go for the horse. She intentionally did not ride her bike to court last time.

As for Aust. bike orgs. none  of them are fighting helmets as far as i can see, unlike the Brit orgs. Why, being dominated by racers, they don&#039;t mind helmets
Have a look at Aust. Cycling (cyclist) forum to see the culture here.

Mike</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Mark, the thing to do, to the extent  you can, is to alert the bike media to Sue&#8217;s story and also drop a line to programs like 7.30 report, AM and PM, the world today, Lateline and Four corners at the ABC. the email addresses  are on the ABC web site.</p>
<p>To answer your questions.  Sue does not like what she thinks are undignified stunts,  feeling her position is already considered crackpot. So she would go for the horse. She intentionally did not ride her bike to court last time.</p>
<p>As for Aust. bike orgs. none  of them are fighting helmets as far as i can see, unlike the Brit orgs. Why, being dominated by racers, they don&#8217;t mind helmets<br />
Have a look at Aust. Cycling (cyclist) forum to see the culture here.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		<title>By: MarkA</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fight the good fight, Mike - you are absolutely on the nail with your assessment of Sue&#039;s case - that is to say it is a noble thing to do something on conviction alone, but that it is not enough to do it unheard, behind closed doors, face to face with a man who thinks the moon is made of &#039;green cheese&#039; (WTF?!)  Your analogy of the smoke machine is spot on too - you can only bring attention to this matter one puff at a time - through wider attention on the blogosphere, and through things like letter writing campaigns to the press (trust me, journalists are so tightly funded and overworked these days they aren&#039;t out beating the streets looking for scoops - you have to bring the story to them, in their office)

So, I am certain we out here are all prepared to do what we can to help Sue (and do let Sue know that cyclists all over the world are thinking of her) - just direct us as appropriate, Mike

PS May I suggest that if you manage to get photographers to the court house next time you get Sue to ride a bike (with a helmet on) and someone else ride alongside on the biggest horse that Scone can find (without a helmet)  Newspapers love visual language!

PPS Sorry, am kind of thinking out loud here, but what is the official position of the Aussie cycling campaigns and organisations?  Surely they&#039;re not toeing the line on this are they?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fight the good fight, Mike &#8211; you are absolutely on the nail with your assessment of Sue&#8217;s case &#8211; that is to say it is a noble thing to do something on conviction alone, but that it is not enough to do it unheard, behind closed doors, face to face with a man who thinks the moon is made of &#8216;green cheese&#8217; (WTF?!)  Your analogy of the smoke machine is spot on too &#8211; you can only bring attention to this matter one puff at a time &#8211; through wider attention on the blogosphere, and through things like letter writing campaigns to the press (trust me, journalists are so tightly funded and overworked these days they aren&#8217;t out beating the streets looking for scoops &#8211; you have to bring the story to them, in their office)</p>
<p>So, I am certain we out here are all prepared to do what we can to help Sue (and do let Sue know that cyclists all over the world are thinking of her) &#8211; just direct us as appropriate, Mike</p>
<p>PS May I suggest that if you manage to get photographers to the court house next time you get Sue to ride a bike (with a helmet on) and someone else ride alongside on the biggest horse that Scone can find (without a helmet)  Newspapers love visual language!</p>
<p>PPS Sorry, am kind of thinking out loud here, but what is the official position of the Aussie cycling campaigns and organisations?  Surely they&#8217;re not toeing the line on this are they?</p>
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		<title>By: datillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>datillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 09:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Adrienne.  I haven&#039;t spoken to Sue for a couple of days but heard she&#039;s going to appeal.  I think she will only get more humiliation unless she/we can interest the media here,  and the blogsphere everywhere.

If that happens,  the appeal might become a vehicle to  start the debate, which. I think is the debate we&#039;ve never had.

There&#039;s s a new factor which will  may throw a new light on the question and bring in ew players. . Cities around the world watch enviously as the Paris Velib bike  rental system, l brings great returns to the city in terms of pollution free transport, a high venue attraction for visitors and perhaps  even a   slightly slower calmer city.

Montreal has opened the Bixi, Dublin and L ondon are about to. (What about SF?)

But if you are stuck with helmets, like we are,  it&#039; s ten time harder, maybe impossible to get  with the freedom  and scope of the original.

So suddenly Govt.  tourist departments now struggling for a scarcer dollar, might be thinking, Why do we have to miss out?  Why shouldn&#039;t adults make up their own minds on this question. As more and more cities come on like, the question will become more and more urgent

A wave of self interested libertarianism  might  sweep into  the most unexpected places.

When I was directing feature films we&#039;d have a fog machine on set which,   by puffing harmless smoke into the set, made for a softer image. I was amazing how it  transformed the look

We are like that smoke puffer, blowing this idea into places where the movie called, &quot;The way we do bikes&quot; is being continuously made, and maybe we are softening rigid attitudes.

I note that the famous Tree Hugger blog ran a rather pro mandatory helmet post about 6 months ago. I&#039;m hoping  that they might run Sue&#039;s films on the basis that a new stage of the debate  is starting, and  in the place where the whole matter first arose, the home of the mandatory helmet.   Mike Rubbo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Adrienne.  I haven&#8217;t spoken to Sue for a couple of days but heard she&#8217;s going to appeal.  I think she will only get more humiliation unless she/we can interest the media here,  and the blogsphere everywhere.</p>
<p>If that happens,  the appeal might become a vehicle to  start the debate, which. I think is the debate we&#8217;ve never had.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s s a new factor which will  may throw a new light on the question and bring in ew players. . Cities around the world watch enviously as the Paris Velib bike  rental system, l brings great returns to the city in terms of pollution free transport, a high venue attraction for visitors and perhaps  even a   slightly slower calmer city.</p>
<p>Montreal has opened the Bixi, Dublin and L ondon are about to. (What about SF?)</p>
<p>But if you are stuck with helmets, like we are,  it&#8217; s ten time harder, maybe impossible to get  with the freedom  and scope of the original.</p>
<p>So suddenly Govt.  tourist departments now struggling for a scarcer dollar, might be thinking, Why do we have to miss out?  Why shouldn&#8217;t adults make up their own minds on this question. As more and more cities come on like, the question will become more and more urgent</p>
<p>A wave of self interested libertarianism  might  sweep into  the most unexpected places.</p>
<p>When I was directing feature films we&#8217;d have a fog machine on set which,   by puffing harmless smoke into the set, made for a softer image. I was amazing how it  transformed the look</p>
<p>We are like that smoke puffer, blowing this idea into places where the movie called, &#8220;The way we do bikes&#8221; is being continuously made, and maybe we are softening rigid attitudes.</p>
<p>I note that the famous Tree Hugger blog ran a rather pro mandatory helmet post about 6 months ago. I&#8217;m hoping  that they might run Sue&#8217;s films on the basis that a new stage of the debate  is starting, and  in the place where the whole matter first arose, the home of the mandatory helmet.   Mike Rubbo</p>
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		<title>By: adriennejohnson</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>adriennejohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 01:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing is, what Sue did most certainly made a difference.  If it made other people stop and think about what helmet laws really mean and really do, then that is the beginning.  People who watch the films walk away from them thinking about a woman who had the gumption to fight for what she believes

That is way more powerful than big statements.  Just give it time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing is, what Sue did most certainly made a difference.  If it made other people stop and think about what helmet laws really mean and really do, then that is the beginning.  People who watch the films walk away from them thinking about a woman who had the gumption to fight for what she believes</p>
<p>That is way more powerful than big statements.  Just give it time.</p>
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		<title>By: bentguy in vancouver</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>bentguy in vancouver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 01:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t really expect much when I first heard of this case but I am saddened none the less.  If you don&#039;t mind I&#039;ll link this video on my blog and pass around a notice to our local list server so it gets as wide a viewing here as possible.

We have had all ages mandatory helmet laws here in British Columbia for 13 years now. Recently I&#039;ve noticed a growing number of cyclists ignoring them as I have.  I did get my first ticket recently but they are only $29 and as far as I can tell, if you go to court and the officer doesn&#039;t appear, then they throw it out.  With the Olympics here in a few short months I&#039;m sure they have their hands full. I&#039;ll take my chances.

And like Sue I will continue to go helmet-less and continue to fight this stupidity.

Thanks for doing this and be sure to thank Sue. It was quite lovely to kind of meet her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t really expect much when I first heard of this case but I am saddened none the less.  If you don&#8217;t mind I&#8217;ll link this video on my blog and pass around a notice to our local list server so it gets as wide a viewing here as possible.</p>
<p>We have had all ages mandatory helmet laws here in British Columbia for 13 years now. Recently I&#8217;ve noticed a growing number of cyclists ignoring them as I have.  I did get my first ticket recently but they are only $29 and as far as I can tell, if you go to court and the officer doesn&#8217;t appear, then they throw it out.  With the Olympics here in a few short months I&#8217;m sure they have their hands full. I&#8217;ll take my chances.</p>
<p>And like Sue I will continue to go helmet-less and continue to fight this stupidity.</p>
<p>Thanks for doing this and be sure to thank Sue. It was quite lovely to kind of meet her.</p>
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		<title>By: datillo</title>
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		<dc:creator>datillo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 11:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, I&#039;ll make sure Sue reads this. I&#039;m sure it will buck her up. She says nothing will stop her cycling ,and moreover  the way she feels safe, without a helmet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, I&#8217;ll make sure Sue reads this. I&#8217;m sure it will buck her up. She says nothing will stop her cycling ,and moreover  the way she feels safe, without a helmet</p>
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		<title>By: MarkA</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-67</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 10:06:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, great film, as always, and well done for persevering with the story.  As an ex Sydney-sider it makes me so sad that cycling isn&#039;t enjoying an explosion in popularity as it is at the moment in places like London and Paris.  I&#039;ve linked to your film on my blog in the hope many people see it, I hope you don&#039;t mind:
http://ibikelondon.blogspot.com/2009/10/out-of-town-cycling-helmet-laws-in.html

Sue looks pretty upset at the end of the film, and I can understand completely how nerve wracking the experience must have been.  I hope this doesn&#039;t stop her from cycling - that would be the biggest travesty of all.  Do please keep us updates should the story develop further.

Keep on ridin&#039;!

Mark

PS I find it incredulous that it is the law to wear a  helmet on a bike but not on a horse in Australia - how &quot;through the looking glass&quot; is that?!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, great film, as always, and well done for persevering with the story.  As an ex Sydney-sider it makes me so sad that cycling isn&#8217;t enjoying an explosion in popularity as it is at the moment in places like London and Paris.  I&#8217;ve linked to your film on my blog in the hope many people see it, I hope you don&#8217;t mind:<br />
<a href="http://ibikelondon.blogspot.com/2009/10/out-of-town-cycling-helmet-laws-in.html" rel="nofollow">http://ibikelondon.blogspot.com/2009/10/out-of-town-cycling-helmet-laws-in.html</a></p>
<p>Sue looks pretty upset at the end of the film, and I can understand completely how nerve wracking the experience must have been.  I hope this doesn&#8217;t stop her from cycling &#8211; that would be the biggest travesty of all.  Do please keep us updates should the story develop further.</p>
<p>Keep on ridin&#8217;!</p>
<p>Mark</p>
<p>PS I find it incredulous that it is the law to wear a  helmet on a bike but not on a horse in Australia &#8211; how &#8220;through the looking glass&#8221; is that?!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.situp-cycle.com/2009/10/04/no-helmet-please/comment-page-1/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a very sad end to this story. It was sad to see Sue in that state after court. It was clearly not a pleasant experience.

Sue appears to be an intelligent woman and I think that deep down she knew her chances were limited. I have no doubt that her lawyer advised her of that. In the end the police were required to prove two things: (1) that she rode a bike and (2) that at the time she was not wearing a helmet.

What must have been disappointing was the gruff reception she seems to have got from the Magistrate. I have heard of people here in Adelaide fighting speeding fines by calling &quot;experts&quot;. They all failed in the end but were allowed to present their case as they chose. I add that none of those experts had published in peer-reviewed journals as Sue&#039;s expert had.

Your description of how the Magistrate dealt with it was not a particularly good advert for the justice system. It should be remembered that the majority of people never go to court and if they do, for them the criminal justice system consists of a Magistrate sitting alone. When a person is given a response like the one Sue received, disappointment is inevitable. The story would have had a happier ending had Sue not received such a swift and dismissive response before she had even put her case.

To be fair to the Magistrate, it may be that this was not the day of the actual trial but was instead a pre-trial conference where a court gives its initial assessment. That is a different thing.

Putting all that aside though, the helmet debate is a funny thing and it is only really in this country that it is an issue. It is only here that I have ever seen a police &quot;safety expert&quot; appear on television telling us about the need to wear helmets for our safety.

The real debate I think should not be about whether helmets are effective or not. It is something that is almost impossible to prove either way. Depending on your speed and angle you fall, they may well be effective. My problem is that on most, if not all days, I do not fall off my bike and if I do, I graze my hands and knees. The fact is, I have fallen off my bike about once since childhood and that was my own stupidity. I rode straight into the kerb thinking it was level with the road.

We should be asking ourselves whether we really are serious about safety. Helmets may make a marginal difference but surely the more effective way is to make cycling actually and perceivably safer by installing the required infrastructure. It saddens me to see images from Amsterdam like those in your film of children riding around with their parents without helmets. It saddens me because we could achieve that too if we wanted.

Occasionally there are pockets of hope like the article about Brisbane on Copenhagenize recently but in the main it is still a struggle.

Keep your blog going Datillo. It is an excellent message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very sad end to this story. It was sad to see Sue in that state after court. It was clearly not a pleasant experience.</p>
<p>Sue appears to be an intelligent woman and I think that deep down she knew her chances were limited. I have no doubt that her lawyer advised her of that. In the end the police were required to prove two things: (1) that she rode a bike and (2) that at the time she was not wearing a helmet.</p>
<p>What must have been disappointing was the gruff reception she seems to have got from the Magistrate. I have heard of people here in Adelaide fighting speeding fines by calling &#8220;experts&#8221;. They all failed in the end but were allowed to present their case as they chose. I add that none of those experts had published in peer-reviewed journals as Sue&#8217;s expert had.</p>
<p>Your description of how the Magistrate dealt with it was not a particularly good advert for the justice system. It should be remembered that the majority of people never go to court and if they do, for them the criminal justice system consists of a Magistrate sitting alone. When a person is given a response like the one Sue received, disappointment is inevitable. The story would have had a happier ending had Sue not received such a swift and dismissive response before she had even put her case.</p>
<p>To be fair to the Magistrate, it may be that this was not the day of the actual trial but was instead a pre-trial conference where a court gives its initial assessment. That is a different thing.</p>
<p>Putting all that aside though, the helmet debate is a funny thing and it is only really in this country that it is an issue. It is only here that I have ever seen a police &#8220;safety expert&#8221; appear on television telling us about the need to wear helmets for our safety.</p>
<p>The real debate I think should not be about whether helmets are effective or not. It is something that is almost impossible to prove either way. Depending on your speed and angle you fall, they may well be effective. My problem is that on most, if not all days, I do not fall off my bike and if I do, I graze my hands and knees. The fact is, I have fallen off my bike about once since childhood and that was my own stupidity. I rode straight into the kerb thinking it was level with the road.</p>
<p>We should be asking ourselves whether we really are serious about safety. Helmets may make a marginal difference but surely the more effective way is to make cycling actually and perceivably safer by installing the required infrastructure. It saddens me to see images from Amsterdam like those in your film of children riding around with their parents without helmets. It saddens me because we could achieve that too if we wanted.</p>
<p>Occasionally there are pockets of hope like the article about Brisbane on Copenhagenize recently but in the main it is still a struggle.</p>
<p>Keep your blog going Datillo. It is an excellent message.</p>
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